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Ostercy at 09:54, 8 February 2009

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Darth Max at 01:45, 8 February 2009

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Ostercy at 17:34, 7 February 2009

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Darth Max at 13:28, 7 February 2009

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Ostercy at 11:28, 7 February 2009

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Ostercy at 08:57, 7 February 2009

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Ostercy at 08:53, 7 February 2009

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Darth Max at 01:29, 7 February 2009

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Darth Max: New page: why weren't natla,qualopec and tihocan(from my original article) allowed to be on this one if they have already been proven to be gods?

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New page: why weren't natla,qualopec and tihocan(from my original article) allowed to be on this one if they have already been proven to be gods?

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why weren't natla,qualopec and tihocan(from my original article) allowed to be on this one if they have already been proven to be gods?

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	alright then,lets leave this article only for real proven gods =).Anyway I still think that even if she isn't a god,her powers are her own and not tecnological(most of the atlantean's powers in the anniversary continuity seem rather magical than tecnological).But I guess even Lindstrom is confused about that =D		alright then,lets leave this article only for real proven gods =).Anyway I still think that even if she isn't a god,her powers are her own and not tecnological(most of the atlantean's powers in the anniversary continuity seem rather magical than tecnological).But I guess even Lindstrom is confused about that =D
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		+	There are other gods that occur in the Laraverse than could be usefully added to this article, such as, for example, [[Shiva]]. Some background mythology - both traditional and that cobbled together from Wikipedia by Eric and Toby - would be good, plus maybe some pictures of the gods - both as they are traditionally portrayed and as they appear in the Laraverse - would also be useful. I'd compile a list of deities that have cropped up in Tomb Raider fan works, but I can't be bothered. :) Ostercy, 8th February, 2009.

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	It's probably worth reading what was written in the original Eric Lindstrom posts, if you can bear wading through them; they are mostly extremely boring, especially if you read the bits in between "Eric's" posts :). Eric was working on Underworld, not TR1, and the "Eric" in the posts was referring to Natla in Underworld when he made his remarks. As for taking what Lara has to say about Natla as a source of evidence, he also points out that not everything that Lara says should be taken literally - he cites as an example Lara's remark that she "only plays for sport" in TR1, and explains how that might not be literally true. As for the fireball launcher being attached to Natla's hand in TR1, even that is debatable, mostly due to the low quality of the graphics. I personally think that Natla fires fireballs from a launcher, but there are people who disagree. You may have a point about the Anniversary version of Natla, however, as Eric tells us that Anniversary was developed by a different team to Underworld. They perhaps toyed with the idea of making Natla "magical" for one game, but by Underworld this Disneyesque view had been ditched for the original conception as Natla as a technologically advanced being, as she was in TR1. Even if you believe that Natla has almost magical powers (which it seems that Eric does not), that does not make her a "god". Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.		It's probably worth reading what was written in the original Eric Lindstrom posts, if you can bear wading through them; they are mostly extremely boring, especially if you read the bits in between "Eric's" posts :). Eric was working on Underworld, not TR1, and the "Eric" in the posts was referring to Natla in Underworld when he made his remarks. As for taking what Lara has to say about Natla as a source of evidence, he also points out that not everything that Lara says should be taken literally - he cites as an example Lara's remark that she "only plays for sport" in TR1, and explains how that might not be literally true. As for the fireball launcher being attached to Natla's hand in TR1, even that is debatable, mostly due to the low quality of the graphics. I personally think that Natla fires fireballs from a launcher, but there are people who disagree. You may have a point about the Anniversary version of Natla, however, as Eric tells us that Anniversary was developed by a different team to Underworld. They perhaps toyed with the idea of making Natla "magical" for one game, but by Underworld this Disneyesque view had been ditched for the original conception as Natla as a technologically advanced being, as she was in TR1. Even if you believe that Natla has almost magical powers (which it seems that Eric does not), that does not make her a "god". Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.
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		+	alright then,lets leave this article only for real proven gods =).Anyway I still think that even if she isn't a god,her powers are her own and not tecnological(most of the atlantean's powers in the anniversary continuity seem rather magical than tecnological).But I guess even Lindstrom is confused about that =D

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 and that is why I think they should be considered gods
 because there is a lot of ingame references to this
+It's probably worth reading what was written in the original Eric Lindstrom posts, if you can bear wading through them; they are mostly extremely boring, especially if you read the bits in between "Eric's" posts :). Eric was working on Underworld, not TR1, and the "Eric" in the posts was referring to Natla in Underworld when he made his remarks. As for taking what Lara has to say about Natla as a source of evidence, he also points out that not everything that Lara says should be taken literally - he cites as an example Lara's remark that she "only plays for sport" in TR1, and explains how that might not be literally true. As for the fireball launcher being attached to Natla's hand in TR1, even that is debatable, mostly due to the low quality of the graphics. I personally think that Natla fires fireballs from a launcher, but there are people who disagree. You may have a point about the Anniversary version of Natla, however, as Eric tells us that Anniversary was developed by a different team to Underworld. They perhaps toyed with the idea of making Natla "magical" for one game, but by Underworld this Disneyesque view had been ditched for the original conception as Natla as a technologically advanced being, as she was in TR1. Even if you believe that Natla has almost magical powers (which it seems that Eric does not), that does not make her a "god". Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.

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	Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom ([[The “Eric Lindström” posts]]), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I have removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.		Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom ([[The “Eric Lindström” posts]]), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I have removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.
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		+	Thanks for your reply
		+	I meant that in underworld,Lara makes reference to Natla as a god.
		+	she says "I need Thor's belt to get his hammer,and I need the hammer to kill a god",and also "They are team of sorts now.Amanda and Natla,her pet atlantean god"
		+	also they are refered as the god kings
		+	that's why I say that they are gods
		+	I think Lindstrom was refering to Natla in the first continuity(Tomb Raider 1)because there she indeed was mortal and her powers came from the atlantean tecnology
		+	In anniversary and underworld her wings come from her own body,and when she cast fireballs and perform other spells there is no sign of any tecnological "device" that would allow her to perform such a thing,implying that her powers are her own,unlike in Tomb Raider 1,in which she clearly have a granade launcher device attached to her hand
		+	and that is why I think they should be considered gods
		+	because there is a lot of ingame references to this
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		+	Thankfully,Darth max

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−	Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom (~~I'm working on an entry for Wiki Raider at the moment~~), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I have removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.	+	Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom ([[The “Eric Lindström” posts]]), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I have removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.

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−	Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom (I'm working on an entry for Wiki Raider at the moment), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I am removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy.	+	Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom (I'm working on an entry for Wiki Raider at the moment), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I have removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy, 7th February, 2009.

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	cause I don't think Natla,Tihocan or qualopec should be removed from this article,as they are indeed gods		cause I don't think Natla,Tihocan or qualopec should be removed from this article,as they are indeed gods
	so I hope you like		so I hope you like
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		+	Thanks for your contribution. I'm afraid that by any normal definition of "gods", the Atlanteans do not count. Recent interviews with Eric Lindstrom (I'm working on an entry for Wiki Raider at the moment), who has worked closely with Toby Gard on the backstory of Tomb Raider, makes it clear that Natla is not immortal, and does not possess not magic powers. Her ability to fly, shoot fire balls and resist attacks by Lara are explained by Lindstrom as products of advance technology, not of divine power. You say that the Atlanteans have been "proven to be gods". I'm prepared to consider any evidence that you have, but in the absence of that evidence I am removed them from this article. They are not "gods" in the dictionary definition of the word. Ostercy.

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	why weren't natla,qualopec and tihocan(from my original article) allowed to be on this one if they have already been proven to be gods?		why weren't natla,qualopec and tihocan(from my original article) allowed to be on this one if they have already been proven to be gods?
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		+	cause I don't think Natla,Tihocan or qualopec should be removed from this article,as they are indeed gods
		+	so I hope you like